ReddcoinRocks The history involves a lot of mods and a lot of circumstances. Maybe it’s time for us to review the list and restore those legitimate accounts. It certainly won’t erase the history but could still give us a clean slate on /r/Reddcoin as we focus on building the future.
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iisurge We’ll find out when we speak.
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laudney Sounds fair to me
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reddibrek Hell as a Mod? You jest. its not all sugar and spice and everything nice? It is impossible to do the right thing all the time as a mod. You just have to go with your gut feeling about what to do, and then roll with the punches that come from it afterwards.
Yes lots of people will be made upset when something does not go as was expected but that is just part of life. People want simplicity and predictability(which is not reality) they do not like random events(which is reality) that sometimes do and will happen no matter how much thought was put in to prevent such things.
I know what its like to be a mod, been one before. Know several on different places and have seen all they go through. It is not fun nor easy nor ever will it be. The life of a mod on any forum is stressful and not truly fun.
People fail to understand that the internet is not free speech like everyone wants to think or believe. That on a forum there are rules and regulations that have to be followed. You break those rules or regulations no matter what your excuse be ready to face the results that come from doing so. Ignorance of those rules does not excuse the action either.
But people think that just because the internet is annon (other than a forum nickname)they can do what they want no matter what and never have to care either and expect to be allowed to do so because of some misbelief of freedom of speech and civil rights. When in truth none of that applies to the internet at all For the internet is not truly public domain as many like to think just because what is seen on forums can be seen by the public. Forums/blog/any services are run on private servers which means those running them have the power and control over what is said or not or allowed or not. Not the users ever.
It is the same as being a member of a sports organization and breaking the rules and then expecting nothing to come from it. Only to get upset when suddenly you are tossed out of the club and told not to return thinking you have special rights because of civil liberties when actually you do not. you agreed to the rules when you joined, even the possible outcome of breaking those rules and being ejected from the place and told never to come back.
In the end mods don’t really have to tell why they did something. It is not their job to inform everyone of every choice made and why. It is their job to keep the peace and that is all. Same as how developers do not have to tell everyone all the time of why a change was made or not made when it will be made. What they decide to tell is by their own choice not out of some obligation to do so. Not everyone is as privy to all information about something as they may always want to be or think they should be. That is simply not how life really works.
100% transparency does not exist and never will because of the issues that would arise from such an attempt to do so. Because everyone will then think that their view/feelings/thoughts/idea/issue matters more than someone else’s and when not listened to or done as they asked or suggested will get upset no matter what reason is given for it not happening.
So an exact timeline for changes or possible changes can not always be given to members of any organization some of the time. You cannot always be prepared for everything all the time(again not reality) and how it may effect you or others
{oh… look at the wall of text… should stop doing these things since most of the time is never read or people want a ;tldr which I will never give(you want to know what was said, read it all)}.
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Drakona wow, I read it… I read it all… but whats the point. mods do this and it’s not their job to do that? did I got it right? 
I think in the reddcoin team there is on one side the responsibility to moderate and on the other side the responsibility to inform and to promote the vision. so I don’t think that all your rules apply.
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ReddcoinRocks I figured you may not understand it all the way. The point is that it is the mods job to keep the peace and in doing so they dont have to explain why they did something to the rest of the members. As in removing posts or members that do not really help but hinder. That a mods job is not fun or easy or nice and more of a stressful position than anything else.
There is a difference between inform and promote. promote does not mean disclose everything, it does not mean reveal all decisions as to what is being done or why or when so everyone knows every little detail all the time. And inform does not necessarily include all members knowing every little action about to be taken or why. for then many will complain about it and think their view matters more than anyone else including those that are doing the work aka the developers.
There is a fine line where some information has to be held back until the time is right for it to be known by the rest of the community and sometimes that timeline is not what the community wants or likes it to be but none the less has to be like that way.
100% transparency does not work ever as expected by those who expect it or want it. They just want to know every little tidbit so they can try and control the direction in the method they think is best when it may not be in truth.
For an example look at game developers… gamers cry for 100% transparency from the devs yet when any information is given there is always a huge outcry about how terrible it will be because something was changed in a manner that one group did not like. As a developer they cannot keep everyone/every group happy all the time yet gamers like to think and claim they can and should. Having greater transparency leads to greater issues and drama when it could have been avoided. So in the end they give out less information than is wanted in order to try and maintain some level of peace.
Not everyone all the time can always be a helpful contributing member of an idea all the time. For not all ideas are really helpful or needed no matter how much the presenter of such idea may think otherwise.
(eh… I tend to go off on these odd tangents at times… which is why I dont comment often in many places anymore)
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Drakona Ok,I think I got it now. What if the mod is also a product marketer doesn’t it change the rules?
Maybe we should continue this somewhere else, if you want to answer. Don’t want to create an off-topic in this topic.
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ReddcoinRocks Yes it can which is why it is sometimes better for developers not be mods, splitting the job between members to better use of manpower. Mods deal with teh forum issues report them to devs, the devs work on issues and post to inform of fix’s/changes/improvements and give information that mods/support staff can then relate to members who have questions at times.
When one does the job of many it leads to more emotional results and less logical results. Such as peoples personal feelings being hurt or angered and things similar and unneeded drama. The dev-mod takes it too personal at times. responds in manner and thus alienates members when not meaning too always trying to defend or protect their idea and choice.
if that makes any sense.
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What happened with userNameNotLongEnoug?
Drakona I believe you are right. I agree people who write code should keep a very healthy distance from moderation, which is a direction we are moving to. The moderation of this forum is on auto-pilot. The moderation of /r/Reddcoin will be kept to a minimum. Let’s wait a bit longer to allow people to build up their reputation here and then we can elect some voluntary mods from the community for both places.
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Drakona I think that makes absolutely sense. I’m a developer myself and in day-job and on forums sometimes a manager or administrator. and it’s sometimes hard to deal with comments that look like accusations and comments that look like people just want to destroy what you have worked for. but in this context I have to say that laudney does a great job. at least the last discussions I have watched about hypothetical or real technical problems were handled very professional and way better than the usual reaction of developers I have experienced in the past.
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laudney I think your choice right now is the correct one. let the place build and then as the need arises if it should (hopefully not but eventually will) have mods that are willing step up and do what is needed to keep the peace. Knowing that a times they may be hated by some members for what they do while appreciated by others for doing what they are doing and being willing to do so.
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laudney said:
Drakona I believe you are right. I agree people who write code should keep a very healthy distance from moderation, which is a direction we are moving to. The moderation of this forum is on auto-pilot. The moderation of /r/Reddcoin will be kept to a minimum. Let’s wait a bit longer to allow people to build up their reputation here and then we can elect some voluntary mods from the community for both places.
This would be IMO the appropriate way to move forward, remember decentralized or not Reddcoin has a reputation and just one moderator can tarnish that rep! Id prefer if all posts that are “FUD” or what not be locked not deleted to preserve openness. Ideally it would be nice to be able to label a post as FUD(Explaining that the reddcoin team thinks this post is a lie and deciveful ofc only elected officials would be able to lablel ).
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Naro I think at one point the post would need to be locked. maybe not deleted but put in an archive section that others can still read to see the past history of the coins development and the issues that it had to overcome. I feel this way for it prevents people from trying to bring back up old issues that are no longer relevant to the current stage of development the coin would be in. No real reason to rehash over again an old event that truthfully no longer matters.
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Drakona said:
Id prefer if all posts that are “FUD” or what not be locked not deleted to preserve openness.
The idea of posts that are getting removed from a topic but still stay in the authors history is great. But I think this can’t have much priority right now. But maybe there are some node.js/NodeBB developers in this community who have fun in developing such a feature
We want a free financial system free of centralised control and yet we seek to censor those whom disagree. In an open forum there should be give and take with the ‘‘banning’’ of people and the censorship by removal of post’s reserved for spamming idiots .
I am not an anarchist but TRUTH FEARS NO INQUIRY.
The essential intrinsic excellence of this project is going rule the day.
We are not ‘‘hot house flowers’’ we are capable of winnowing out the truth of any matter as long as we are given access to the facts. Veritas
Reddshift said:
We want a free financial system free of centralised control and yet we seek to censor those whom disagree. In an open forum there should be give and take with the ‘‘banning’’ of people and the censorship by removal of post’s reserved for spamming idiots .
I am not an anarchist but TRUTH FEARS NO INQUIRY.
The essential intrinsic excellence of this project is going rule the day.
We are not ‘‘hot house flowers’’ we are capable of winnowing out the truth of any matter as long as we are given access to the facts. Veritas
Id love to see a open discussion take place and the devs and the mods are hard at work to make that happen. The problem with providing an “open playground” is that there are kids from other blocks who have a huge interest to shout (FUD) and make that playground look like a piece of !#@$ to newcomers. It is very hard to strike a controlled, yet free balance for this playground, especially when money is involved.
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I think laudney has done a great job with managing the dev team on a meritocracy level. I am sure whatever the management team has decided is with long term vision for the reddcoin. And perhaps that would be in conflict with some people who don’t really care about the currency. I have an economics background and I was totally in awe with laudney 's white paper on crypto-currency .
It is rather rude to have personal attack and no matter what kind of day this user had it would have only shown his skewed opinion based on personal benefits, rather than the community. I think it is a good thing that we come to understand why he may not be best fit for the team, and thus a blessing that he ‘left’. ( I meant the black mailer)
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bunny I wouldn’t say a blessing that he ‘left’.(Could sound a bit rude to some) I’d leave it at we understand the reason for the break/leaving and are grateful for the amazing work he pulled off with the wiki in the limited time that he had.
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We either are an open forum or we are not. Posts with valid meaningful and useful content should rise to the top. Post’s which are unhelpful, divisive and counter productive should sink like a stone. It should be pretty simple. Fear…normal… Uncertainty…human Doubt again a normal human foible. Fear is dispelled with Knowledge…Uncertainty is eased by Experience Doubt is removed by gaining a clarity of vision.
We need to promote Experience…by teaching well
We need to minimise Uncertainty by communicating at all levels of understanding (not just Dev level techno geek garble)
We need…to engage Doubt with a clear concise vision of the future.
We NEED…thats all of us…(dont look at me though I am just a janitor so what do I know)
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